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By: Sophia Sadek

Sophia Sadek — Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:22:50 +0000

The majority of human beings are oppressed under a despotic regime that prevents them from realizing their full humanity. The “material” or hylic mind is one that is cultivated to be such. It is not fully human. It is a manifestation of deliberately stunted development.

It takes much more than the Nag Hammadi Library to understand the gnostic tradition. You could read those books until the cows come home without understanding the depth of meaning that they contain.

The orthodox deny that the Earth is a celestial sphere. Under orthodoxy, the Earth is not in Heaven, but below it. It is a mere footstool for the material Creator. Until relatively recently, the orthodox Earth was flat and immobile. Orthodox doctrine still reflects that paradigm.

By: AJM

AJM — Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:59:10 +0000

Are you talking about the same gnostics I read in the ancient texts? They’re pretty clear on the necessity of escaping the earth and its oppressive archons. And they certainly do NOT believe that “beatitude is part of human nature.” Some humans have it, maybe, but they’re a minority, an elite; human nature in general is treated pretty bleakly in the gnostic texts. I’ve read the Nag Hammadi library cover to cover at least three times, and I have to agree with the original blog posting. There’s no joy in that Mudville.

Orthodox Christianity, on the other hand, agrees with you, Sophia, that human nature is fitted for beatitude, and that heaven has come to earth because of the incarnation. You’re invoking nonexistent gnostics to reach a real orthodox conclusion.

By: Sophia Sadek

Sophia Sadek — Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:39:35 +0000

Thanks for the posting.

I couldn’t help but be amused by your remark, “It’s hard to express how pernicious this Gnostic idea is. Taken to its logical extreme, it deprives us of all joy in this life. Death is the only good thing about life.”

There is far more joy in gnostic practice than there is in orthodoxy. But then, gnostics don’t take things to their logical extreme. In the gnostic paradigm, the Earth is a celestial sphere. Beatitude is a part of human nature. It’s the hellishness of orthodoxy that drains the joy out of existence. It is an orthodox philosophy that says we must suffer during life so that we are worthy of heaven only after death.